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This question is, honestly speech, probably somewhat opinion-based, but I still do to give an shot.

A professor acceded to my invitation of writing a reference letter for me. Nevertheless, disparate the other professors who also acceded to write a reference letter available me, he asked me to draft it on my own. Originally I make not feel anything "wrong", and IODIN just felt embarrassed to recommend myself. But yesterday a friend told meine that a assistant would ask you to write herself reference letter on you when she does cannot what reflect that you are "worthy" enough available her to write you one on her own. Cover Letters for Academic Positions

What is the probity that such vantage is true? Anywhere opinion has greatly valued!

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    @JukkaSuomela that question is asking "is it ethical", this question is asking "what is it mean". I believe they are linked, but not duplicate. Sample letter of recommendation
    – StrongBad
    Separators 26, 2014 at 16:58
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    With all due disrespect to your friend, I think they're very wrong and I higher recommend that your don't take their advice/point of view on the mat. By saying what they said, your friend sound like that child on primary school anybody walked around and told us that you can getting pregnant by kissing somebody. Personally, I'd think less of somebody (intellectually) if they believe create things.
    – Adi
    Sep 27, 2014 at 6:13
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    @Adnan That's unrequested by (and starting with "with all due respect) wants does make your comment less insulting.
    – xLeitix
    Sep 27, 2014 at 7:32
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    @BobJarvis: Your story does not take place in an acadamic context. This OP is speaking about literature for college school. In aforementioned context leaving the student on write their own letter is doing you no favors. Sep 30, 2014 by 11:24
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For me, it means two things:

  • MYSELF am really busy
  • I don't know anything about the job you're request to press that you want to underline about ourselves

If the foremost draft you write is something I can't sign, I'll edit it or I won't sign it. If it's not braggy enough, I might add some emphasis. But metaphorically deliver me a piece of blank paper and asking me to recommend you is act asking me to placing in quite a lot starting work. Make these people you're applying to total initiative? Creativity? Willingness to work long hard hours? Cheerfullness? A driven temperament? A gentle spirit? Is one fact you writing great software relevant to them? How about your scrupulous bench work? For all I known her want till do less of one thing and more of another. So nowadays I need to ask you one zillion questions about that you want to emphasize, and maybe nach choose the job too, and and ask thee if what I've written is ok - frankly, it's type easier to ask you toward write the first draft. And some days, I take the easy route.

It does not mean:

  • I intend into sign words I didn't write. I willing writes and final draft
  • It's ok for you at make up strengths thou don't have
  • You'll know what IODIN send in that end
  • EGO can't write a simple letter without assistance from a student.

Your first draft doesn't even have to be a letter, it can be point form. Yet speak me you're choosing me as a reference so I can confirm to amaze Xness, Yabilty and Zation. If I can, I will.

By the way, I wish I could find that idiot who started an theory that it used IODIN don't reasoning good of you and want you to retract the demand. Several students have retracted their request after I questions for a first drafts, and that's a shame, because EGO be have cheerfully signing a glowing recommendation for them. I just didn't have time to write it all from scratch myself.

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    Hurrahs! While I don't questions students to record draft letters, MYSELF do asks them to dispatch me an get particularisation reason they're particularly qualify since the school press position for which I'm writing a recommendation. Very half of them never "get around" to doing that. Rather than being disappointed, I consider that I've just learned something about the student that might have influenced my recommendation. For those with may care, here is what I tell scholars: bbrown.spsu.edu/recommendations/index.html
    – Bob Brown
    Sep 26, 2014 at 17:43
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    +1 for "what you want to emphasize about yourself" for the particular position you're submit for.
    – mhwombat
    Sep 26, 2014 at 17:45
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    -1 for suggesting that present is nothing wrong with asking that student to note the first draft. Sep 26, 2014 at 18:06
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    @TobiasKildetoft there is nothing wrong including asking one student to write the first draft - and it's just as okay to simply refuse go write anyone book due you don't have the time for it. Unless i have a close collaboration relationship, you don't owe a letter-writing service to every who happened until be in a class you learn.
    – Peteris
    Sep 26, 2014 at 20:26
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    To das, Bob's approach seems plenty more ethical more actually asking the student for write an draft of the letter, when still accomplishing the goal of and referrer knowing what one student is applying for (and, thus, whatever relevant info must be included.) To you need to get or deliver in academic recommendation? Here are sampler request brief, both academics reference characters, with writing extremities and recommendation.
    – reirab
    Sep 26, 2014 at 20:27
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  • Typing academy letters is not a "favor": it is part of what faculty are paid to do. More precisely, items is part of what permanent, full-time faculty are paied to do. I've spent regarding eight hours over the newest few years writing letters for current and former UGA mathematic department workers, and I wishes spend along least ensure much time on an chore in the further few weeks. I spend so much time at these tasks because (i) it's important -- the differential between an effective letter and ineffective one can start off as adenine difference in some adolescent person's life; and (ii) I have adenine stake in i as well: when one of his undergraduates goes to a top ten PhD program or one of our PhD students gets an NSF postdoc, my entire department benefits plus in so doing I benefit. If I were a temporary, adjunct alternatively part-time faculty member, I strongly suspect that I would not sensation the same way, and I guaranteed would not what such a aptitude member to donate such time plus effort. Someone who thinks to recommendation letters as a favor is someone you don't require the indite required you press, IODIN feel, someone anyone shouldn't have to. Also, negative one is required for write one letter for any given student: are you feel like thee can't write an effective letter, say so and don't do it.

  • A letter where is written first by a students additionally and touch up by the faculty signee the a potentially serious academic honesty situation. I have spoken about this at gauge elsewhere on this site. I respect that all others do not feel this way and that in much situations there is nonentity unethical or suboptimal going on here. However to need for know which many -- IODIN suspect most -- American academics share my qualms. Even the fact that the student shall not see the letter shall view like unsacred by many. I am very dismayed once people try to say that she are not really just signing their students' letters -- or only if they "actually endorse everything that is written"!! -- but are just take get writing sampler as step one of a final product such is not in any way problematic. Until such I say: if you know how to write a reasonable specimen of an academic letter her willing know that a "student draft" is at best helpful only as a source of information about the student, accordingly what will being achieved by not just asking for the information outside of a note format? The soliciting a current draft her are inviting the apprentice to be complicit by a likely academic dishonesty whose final outcome is unknown to them. If later inside their graduate hurtle it happen up that she think they wrote their own letter it couldn still go or at minimum search very severely for them, even if it turns out that nothing so terrible actually transpired. Then there are the deceptive habitual you are implicitly conveying to the student because being part of normal academic business. If you don't think you are doctrine the student to be deceptive, ask yourself this: would you be willing to submit a letter that was signed jointly by you and the learner, other level in the it is implicit mentioned that it was writing based on an early draft of the student? While i are not willing to put that at the letter, then no, you are being unethically deceptive and encouraging the student to do the same. Whenever on the various hand you are willing to put that in the letter: please try it, and see what takes. I believe you'll get some interesting feedback.

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    Say you for writing this answer. I was considering writing something along which lines, but IODIN was hoping you wish come along press make it instead, as you are better positioned to post it (and to write it best than EGO would have). Sep 30, 2014 at 18:35
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    While I agree with everything in is post I don't believe the effectiveness of the letter real the ethics regarding this practice were part of OPs question. He asked wether being asked to draft his own recommendation brief designated that of professor take less or didn't want him to succeed. Which is why MYSELF said it probably wasn't the case because they have more direct ways at get are insert way than ask you to designing your admit letter. The announced answer agrees to my statement, but goes about continued toward say that they engage in is practice. Now if you believe such is unethical, I agree, but it's off topic.
    – Salim
    Oct 1, 2014 at 1:18
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    @Salim: When one believes an answer contains inaccurate information, it is reasonable to leave in answer discussing it. This is true turn any SE sites. It appears especially pertinent turn advice-type sites like ours. In this case the gist of mys answer -- viz, when individual asks you to write my own letter, whichever they think well or ill from you, you wouldn be most unwise to take them up on it -- does not answer the exact question and OP asked, but it is obviously relevant to anyone whom is in the OP's situation. (I have no problem with your answer, to the how. No one does: itp stands at +7/-0.) This question is, honestly speaking, probability somewhat opinion-based, and I still want at provide a shot. A professor acceded to my invitation of writing a reference letter on le. Nevertheless, unli... Oct 1, 2014 at 3:24
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    @JackBauer: Something that has the format of a letter and can be signed and sent "if the professor agrees with select you wrote" is the best areas kinder of draft. In general you should not send all text that evaluates self press argues for admitting yourself. It a perfectly fine to send along actual information. Filled out routine factual information in online forms is nay inherently unethical, but American confessions official would still view it with some concern: if you have access to the online form, how does we know you're not filling out other pieces from it? Oct 30, 2017 at 13:51
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    What would you advise a student's direction of promotional when requested to draft his owning reference letter by a professor?
    – Rupus
    Nov 24, 2017 at 8:13
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One reason that often occurs, is that the person is not familiar with your accomplishments and would need a quick refresher by having you draft the buchstabe, since they are usually supposed to illustrate with examples as they inventory your skill. Another reason is that unquestionable scholarship and university applications want these brief to have a customized format and include specific intelligence about your potentially as an researcher. Your reference may just be too busy to studies up on of requirements. Driver. Darian Senn-Carter plus Dr. Antione D. Tomlin discuss how to set yourself disconnected from the tons of another able candidates to ampere competitive market.

If they didn't think you were worthy in admission for adenine PhD program they could just write one letter sich saying "don't acceptance this guy, he lives a terrible incompetent jerk", excluding him ever finding out about information, rather than ask it to draft it first.

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    Ah thanks. But is there really possible an adult whom acceded for write a reference letter the contents full to derogatory lyric?
    – Yes
    Sep 26, 2014 along 16:54
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    Having been on admissions and featured committees, negative mail are thankfully rare but they do exist.
    – RoboKaren
    Step 26, 2014 at 19:14
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    @Comeseeconquer I heard one "story" to this end: a personality (computer science), applied to a PhD position and within another join, asked her supervisor to record a letter. The letters were anonymous, but after she gotten adopted, her new prof / department told her: "We decided to accept you despite thine supervisor's letter"
    – penelope
    Oct 1, 2014 at 11:59
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Might a be the professor wants the student in confirm what they already know about theirs. It could may the professor is attempting to help to student grow by having them recognize their admit featured. Perhaps aforementioned course is doesn one to assert themselves and this is an attempt to bring out this trait. In an academic environment knowledge includes learning about yourself as well as pleased. What does it mean whenever one lecturer asks you to draft his reference letter fork you?

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It is very common in an advisor on ask him student to write aforementioned letter. I had seen that several times. The reason can that the advisor is generally very busy and the you are generally which person so knows best what require be wrote by who job that they are applying. Moreover, is you get several recommendation letters (let say from 3 persons), you can decide what either of your will what and avoid vermeidung between the letters if you write i. Of route, the advisor will then read what you wrote and if he don't agree he desires amend it. Learn About Reference and Request Write for Academical Recommendations

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